A Question about Nails

[atvchick95]

I know when a bird has all dark with one light nail its split to pied.



Both tiels are cinnamon Pearl, Both from the same clutch , only a couple days apart.

One has Dark tan nails, the other has light pink almost translucent nails

does it mean anything with their mutations or is it just a difference they have even though they are the exact same mutations?

I'll try to get a picture of their toes tomorrow, they're in bed for the night right now.

[srtiels]

Do the nails look like this? This is a pearl baby split to pied nails.

[srtiels]

OOPS!!! I forgot the pix....

Also, in the 2nd pix if the skintone is mottled looking (the grey broken up) this is also an indication of split to pied.

[atvchick95]

the 1st pic looks similar to the one's maybe a bit more "clear" but I was in my room when i was feeding them and it doesn't have the best lighting in the world

but the 2nd pic isn't the same mine is all one color and not as dark

but I do think their moms is 2 toned similar to the 2nd pic I'll try to get a look tomorrow She doesn't hold still well maybe I can get lucky though and catch her climbing on the cage so i can see her nails well :)

[atvchick95]

I got a couple pictures, But none were being very cooperative with me today

I've cropped the pictures, Enlarged them and did the automatic color fix to try to help show what I am talking about, It worked pretty well on all but Goldie's She kept running from the camera so it was hard to get any good shots of her nails, And when I did the color thing it made her feet look a very odd color which they're not like that in person

and she has one toe that turns a bit inwards So that didn't help any on getting a good picture

but here they are

Baby 2- Cinnamon Pearl -Dark Tan nails
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Other%20Stuff/Baby2snails.jpg

Baby 3- Cinnamon Pearl - Light almost clear Nails

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Other%20Stuff/baby3snailsagain.jpg

Oh and the babies aren't that Yellow in person - that was because of the Automatic color fixing thing in my photo program

and here is their mom Goldie -most of her nails are dark Almost black with at least 1 on each foot (you can see them in the picture) a light clear tanish color

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Other%20Stuff/goldiesnails.jpg

oh and the dark section on her stomach is the shadow from the swing in her cage.

[tielfan]

It's my understanding that cinnamon makes the nails look brownish, so that might be what's going on. I don't have a definite explanation for the difference in color intensity between these two chicks, but it might be just individual differences.

[atvchick95]

Thats what I am thinking, but there mom is supposed to be pied, which gives the chance of these being pied One or both So i was wondering if that was the reason for the different color nails since they're the exact same mutation born from the same parents and only days apart

If it is a sign one is pied - that'll help me out a lot :) Because other than the nails being 2 different colors they look Identical and I'd like to be able to tell them apart just by looking and not having to look at the band number

right now none have a Pied marking on the back of their head but last seasons babies only one had the notorious "tick"mark for being split to pied none of the others showed any signs of being split to pied

but last season I didn't pay attention to the nail colors so this could of happened with them last season

only reason i even noticed it this time is because I had them both out at the same time to feed them (i usually do one at a time) and with them side by side it caught my attention their nails were totally different

[srtiels]

OK...in the first pix it appears that there is some mottling on the center toe next to the bent toe. That would be an indication of pied.

Right now I have some cinnamon pearls split pied in the nest. I checked the feet and also the wing spots. I took some pix's I have to get into the computer. will post more in a little bit. Bit the wingspots when split to pied will look similar to what I'll post...More later...

[atvchick95]

Ok, thanks I'll look forward to seeing those :) I haven't checked the wing spots yet on mine I'll wait til I see what to look for :)

[srtiels]

Pix coming in a little bit. In checking my CP and Normal pearl I was totally dimayed to have 1 pearl split to heavy pied have NO wing spots...just little smears of where they should have been.

I also did notice that my Cinnamon pearls that are definitely split to pied have a paler brown toe nail...

[srtiels]

Rats...I'm going to have to do more pix. But here are a few. The first two are of Noodles daughter, a CP, and I don't beleive the pied split got passed to her. She is being parent weaned, so I couldn't catch her to check out the wings.

3rd is a lightly pied CP. This bird has lighter colored nails. In looking in my flights any CPO that were also pied had the lighter nails.

the 4th and 5th are of the Pastelface pearl split pied clutchmate. Notice the the very elongated wingspots. I have found that when split to pied the spots can look like this.

i have grumpy babies, from all the photo-taking :)

I'm the next posting will be a few more pix...

[srtiels]

And the pearl split to pied... The wingspots are puzzeling me because they are almost non-existant. But notice the white patch on the upper portion of the underside of the wing. That is a definite indication of split to pied. Many times if the back of the head does not have a patch the underside of the wing will sometimes have it.

[atvchick95]

ok 1st group of pics - 3rd pic looks a lot like my 2nd cinnamon pearl (or the baby of the group 3rd one born)

2nd set I'll have to check under their wings but I noticed on your Pearl split pied - it doesn't have much for barring on the tail Which I noticed mine don't either but I chalked that up to them only being around a month old

I'll see if i can get one of the kids to help me get pics later when i go feed them, my camera is big and bulky and doesn't work well for one handed pictures :P

then I'll post them here

on a side note I do believe a baby from this pair from last season has the elongated wing spots I'll go through my pics real quick and see if i still have that shot if i do i'll edit this and post it

ok they're not all elongated like yours but there's at least one i can see and several oddly shaped ones , not perfect "dots" - and this one does have a 50/50 chance of being split to pied, and she is set up with a non pied but they haven't done anything yet.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/Sadiespreadingherwings.jpg

[atvchick95]

Here are the pictures I took of them this evening I just went ahead and took pics of all 3

i'll go in order to make it less confusing (for me lol)

Under wings - Baby 1 - Pearl

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Other%20Stuff/sundanceandgoldiesbaby1pearlagain.jpg

Body shot - Baby 1

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Other%20Stuff/sundanceandgoldiesbaby1Pearlfullbod.jpg

Under wings- Baby 2 - Cinnamon Pearl
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Other%20Stuff/SunDanceandGoldiebaby2cinpearl.jpg

Body shot - Baby 2-

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Other%20Stuff/sundanceandgoldiebaby2cinpearlfullb.jpg

Under wings - baby 3 - cinnamon Pearl

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Other%20Stuff/SunDanceandGoldies3rdbabycinpearl.jpg

body shot - baby 3

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Other%20Stuff/Sundanceandgoldiesbaby3cinpearlfull.jpg

and a shot of all 3 together
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Other%20Stuff/SunDanceandgoldiesbabiesall3togethe.jpg



Also does the lack of tail barrings on the 3 of them mean anything?

[srtiels]

but I noticed on your Pearl split pied - it doesn't have much for barring on the tail Which I noticed mine don't either but I chalked that up to them only being around a month old
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Hmmmm..... I went out and checked and it's tail does not have as much barring as the Cinnamon pearl in the first group of pix. The outer feathers are also almost solid yellow with the black center vein and black edging. Interesting though. I also have several pearls that I don't think (not 100% sure because 1 parent was split and they show no split marks) and they show a heavier barring pattern to the tail. Whereas the split to pieds have more clearer tail feathers that still have the black center vein and edging and very minimal barring.

I took pix's and have to download them.

What is fun is that alot of this was stuff I didn't pay that much attention to. it was the same as when I took the pix of the pearl/pds wing I was so busy trying to keep it still to get a clear shot I never noticed the lack of spots until I got the pix's into the computer.

[atvchick95]

that is when I notice a lot of things as well, seems my mind isn't on as many tasks when I'm uploading pictures and putting them where I want/need them I have time to examine the pic (normally making sure its not totally blurry because i'm really good for blurry pics lol) then i seem to notice the most off the wall things :)

[Justin]

Sorry, not to intrude, but atv those babies are soooooo cute :P

[Tony's Tiels]

Sorry, not to intrude, but atv those babies are soooooo cute :P

Ditto That !
we have WF pearls, so still trying to figure out how to get a pearled bird with Yellow !
:D
once we have that, our aviary will be very happy ! (ya know as long as the bird is of good size & conformation as well....)

Looks like ATV has them...Well, I'm sure many more folks as well...SR's Noodle bird is quite stunning also, imho
They are impossible to find up here :blink:

[atvchick95]

Justin - Thank you :)

Tony -Thank you :)

the parents are White Face Pearl split to Cinnamon Male with a Cinnamon Pearl Split to white face Female

[srtiels]

Ok...here are the tails from the babies posted earlier.

#1...from the pearl split to pied
The parents were:
Mother, a heavy pearl pied
Father: WF Single factor dominant silver split pearl

#2...from the Pastelface split to pied

#3...From a Cinnamon Pearl split to pied

#4...Wingspot from the Mother of #2 & 3.
She is a Pastelface Cinnamon Pearl split to pied. Paired to a notmal pearl split to WF cinnamon pied

#5...Tail feathers from a normal pearl
Mother: WF split to pied
Father: Normal Single Factor Dominant Silver/pearl

The first 3 babies can be either sex. I'm curious and wondering since they have less barring to the tail feathers if they will be males? In looking thru my flight all of the adult pearl hens do have alot of barring on their tails. And the Cinnamon Pearl fledgling that I posted a few postings ago is also a hen. But, if you notice too the tail feathers from the babies split to pied are fairly clear, aside from the dark center veining typical of pearls.

[srtiels]

ATV,

Again...those are beautiful babies :)

From the genetics of the parents right now you wouldn't know the sexes of the babies...same on mine :(

All your babies tails look similar to my pearl split to pieds tails.

[atvchick95]

Yep thats what i was getting ready to say mine can be either sex

How old are yours? mine are only about a month old

it'll be interesting to see if they end up being all males - I guess that'll be a new way to tell genders or possibility of the gender. at least for cinnamon pearls

I know with another pairs babies (bart and nibbles) Their grey baby this time has barley any yellow on its face or tail, Last seasons grey baby had a good bit of yellow on the face -turned out that one was a male - So for now i'm guessing this one is a female but still too young to be 100% certain


I've got one other question before I forget

i was just in covering up the birds in my room, and the Pied from Bart and Nibbles flapped its wings - and i noticed its wing spots were way up high close to its body but i didn't notice any , any where else I want to think in a past topic that meant male?

[srtiels]

The Noodles Cinnamon Pearl fledgling is 5/17. The younger babies are from 6/5-6/9

Ok...on the pied baby, if the wing spots were on the wing feathers closest to the body it is ususally a hen. If those feathers do not have spots it is usually a male.

[atvchick95]

oh ok I had it backwards, I'll get a better look tomorrow he/she was flapping real fast - They see people and think 'FOOD" even when they were just fed moments before and are totally full LOL

These 3 Pearls were hatched 6/6, 6/7 and 6/9

so ours are the same age or close - we'll be finding out at the same time if we have males or not :)