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*Tiel_Heart*
07-07-2009, 01:08 AM
Hi!
I know I haven't been active lately, but I am needing some desperate help with genetics!
I have recently been looking into what chicks I will get from my two cockatiels, Gadzooks and Skittles.

Skittles is visually a YF Pearl (hen) and I am unsure on her splits.

Gadzooks is a visual YF Cinnamon. I think he possibly is split to Pearl, but unsure. There was another cockatiel in with him at the petshop, and the man said both had come from the same breeder, but he was unsure if they came from the same clutch. It was a female, a Cinnamon pearl. Does that mean the if they are brother and sister, that Gadzooks is split to Pearl?

Here is what i got for putting Gadzooks as Cinnamon split to Pearl:

Mother:Pearl
Father:Cinnamon Split To {X1: Pearl}

male offspring:
50% Pearl Split To {X1: Cinnamon}
50% Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Pearl}

female offspring:
50% Cinnamon Pearl
50% Cinnamon


And here is what I got for putting normal cinnamon:
Mother:Pearl
Father:Cinnamon

male offspring:
100% Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Pearl}

female offspring:
100% Cinnamon


And as an of thought, which is a long shot, I am desperately hoping, That both are split to whiteface, giving me some WF Cinnamon Pearl chicks :D. But even then I only have a 13% chance of getting a female Whiteface Cinnamon Pearl.

Mother:Pearl Split To Whiteface
Father:Cinnamon Split To Whiteface {X1: Pearl}

male offspring:
13% Whiteface Pearl Split To {X1: Cinnamon}
13% Whiteface Split To {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Pearl}
13% Pearl Split To {X1: Cinnamon}
13% Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Pearl}
25% Pearl Split To Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon}
25% Grey Split To Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Pearl}

female offspring:
13% Whiteface Cinnamon Pearl
13% Whiteface Cinnamon
13% Cinnamon Pearl
13% Cinnamon
25% Cinnamon Pearl Split To Whiteface
25% Cinnamon Split To Whiteface


Dragon
I am also having a major dilema with Dragon and his parents. I got him off my friend, and the father is a visual normal grey and the mother is A cinnamon Lutino of some sort we think. She look Lutino, but also a faint trace of Cinnamon.

They have produced two or three pied, Pearls, Normal once (Dragon) and this weird colour which is like a WF Pearl with orange cheek patches, but the Pearl markings turn yellow and grey in the body. Like a pale normal face, but the markings turn quite yellow in the wings and tail.

So what splits does that leave Dragon with?

Here is some pictures of the parents and some chicks produced:
Parents:
(Hen Lutino/Cinnamon, Cock Normal Grey.. Do I see a pied patch?)
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/100_1462.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/100_1252.jpg

First ever chick, A pied (single chick in 1st clutch) Note: The pied grey markings got alot lighter in time. 2nd Clutch produced one pied and one heavy pied (no pictures sorry)
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/100_0732.jpg

From then on they got alot of the funny pearled ones.They have produced two normal pearled:
Clucth of 3, 2 weird pearled ones and the smallest one a normal
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/100_1457.jpg

Closest a funny pearled one and the furthest a normal
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/100_1545.jpg
srtiels
07-07-2009, 01:52 AM
The normal male is actually a pearl male split to pied. The hen must also be pearled.

There are no WF babies in the pix's just pearl pieds and pearls/pd.
*Tiel_Heart*
07-07-2009, 02:11 AM
A Pied Pearl? How is the normal pearl so different to the other pearled one? And what is Dragon split to?

Another picture of Hen:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/100_0439.jpg
srtiels
07-07-2009, 02:35 AM
Post a back veiw of the hen please.

In the order of your photos.

Cinnamon lutino hen. Since the babies are pearled she is also pearl.

2nd pix...the grey male is an adult pearl male split to pied.

3rd. pix...pearl pied

4th pix... Of the 3 babies I see 2 are pearl pied, and pearl split to pied.

Last pix...Pearl pied and pearl split to pied.

WHICH ONE IS DRAGON???? POST his pix and Identify it as the bird in question.
*Tiel_Heart*
07-07-2009, 02:39 AM
Dragon. Normal Grey no pied patch
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/RIMG2863.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/RIMG2862.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/RIMG2355.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/Picture51.jpg
srtiels
07-07-2009, 02:42 AM
How old is this bird?
*Tiel_Heart*
07-07-2009, 02:43 AM
I got him at 3 months and have had him for about that so around 5 or 6 months. Also this is the best I could get of the mum:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/100_0674.jpg
srtiels
07-07-2009, 02:47 AM
Are these photo's of the grey recent?

From the pix it appears this grey is a hen.
*Tiel_Heart*
07-07-2009, 02:50 AM
No, Dragon is definetley not a hen! He screeches like crazy and has a very long crest when up. His tail feathers are starting to turn solid also.The first two were taken today
srtiels
07-07-2009, 02:51 AM
OK...the hen doe not look pearled. If so all the pearl and pearl pied babies are females.
*Tiel_Heart*
07-07-2009, 02:55 AM
Ok so what does that leave Dragon split to?
srtiels
07-07-2009, 02:59 AM
In the 2nd pix of Dragon...see that tiny bit of white behind the orange cheek patch. That is an indication of split to pied. Also look at the beak, it is light with some dark striping...again an indication of being split to pied.

Define screeches please. hens also screetch. Males will wolf whistle. Crest size does not have anything to do with sex.

If this bird was a male and almost 8-9 months old the face would be changing to yellow like the fathers. Take a pix of the tail...fanned out if possible, from your pix Dragon looks like a hen.
srtiels
07-07-2009, 03:00 AM
If Dragon is a hen, just split to pied.

If a male...split to cinnamon lutino, pearl and pied.
*Tiel_Heart*
07-07-2009, 03:04 AM
He is only 5 or 6 months old. I will try and get a picture of him!
*Tiel_Heart*
07-07-2009, 03:11 AM
He also says "Hello cocky" and wolf whistles, which I taught him. Also sorry, I can't get a picture of him becasue my camera is flat!
srtiels
07-07-2009, 03:12 AM
Photo's would be great. In the meantime spread out the wing and look at the underside. What does it look like. here is my online album...halfway down the page are some undersides of wings. Which one looks like Dragons?
http://s525.photobucket.com/albums/cc331/Mousebirds-and-more/Other%20birds/?start=all

Anf look att this pix...which tail?
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc331/Mousebirds-and-more/Other%20birds/Tails-sexing-collage.jpg
srtiels
07-07-2009, 03:13 AM
Ah...the wolf whistles sound like a male.
*Tiel_Heart*
07-07-2009, 03:39 AM
I took two pictures:
Tail:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/RIMG2868.jpg

Wing( he hates me now!:p)
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/Squeak_Crumble/RIMG2869.jpg
srtiels
07-07-2009, 04:04 AM
Thanks...OK...what I am looking at is female markings. I bet Dragon was not a happy birdy :(

What is his Hatch date?
*Tiel_Heart*
07-07-2009, 04:24 AM
Sorry I am unsure. About January - Late January.
srtiels
07-07-2009, 04:32 AM
If this year, then it is too early to tell by his markings because he hasn't gone thru a full molt yet.
kimmikefids
07-07-2009, 09:57 AM
he's a male....u can see he is growing the new male tail and wing feathers...not as marked...the first few wing feathers arent strongly spotted and the tail feathers are getting the new pattern which is more grey and as time goes on will eventually grow in totally grey....comet is doing the same...he has tail feathers just like Dragon and is the same age....the thing with the splits is u dont know for sure which he will get...as for his siblings i see pearl pieds and im pretty sure there is a cinny pearl pied in the midst there....it definately isnt the same colour as its grey siblings...oh and so you know they arent YF....they are just variations of the normal cockatiel...they arent called YF....YF is another mutation resulting in light cheek patches among other things...just dont want u to get confused trying to work out mutations :)
*Tiel_Heart*
07-08-2009, 03:58 AM
Thankyou both! Yes sorry, it is just habit from budgie genetic's saying Yellow face :o
atvchick95
07-08-2009, 04:09 PM
Females can whistle and sound just like males

Take my Sadie for instance She had me thinking for a few she was a male who just wasn't maturing (loosing the pearls) at the right times

This video is of her at 10 months old (i know its hard to hear her from all the other birds) But she did all my male's calls for a good month straight she'd even wait til 1-2 in the morning and start and we'd sneak in and it was her Then of course that got every one else going

before she did this she was silent unless we were holding her and she didn't want to be held (switching cages, wing trims, Putting them up for the night etc.) and she hasn't made a single peep again since this month long venture of seeing what it was like to be a male

in this one she's the one doing it low (i was trying to hide So the Blue Quakers didn't see me and start screaming like normal)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/th_Sadiereallylikeshercage.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/?action=view&current=Sadiereallylikeshercage.flv)

in this one she starts towards the end real low but She's mimicking Jack and Lucky(both males)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/th_SadiePlaying-2.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/?action=view&current=SadiePlaying-2.flv)

this is my male cinnamon pearl when he was 5 months old no wing spots left that i can see

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Handfeeding%20babies/Hand%20Fed%2008/Pooh-Icanfly.jpg