Sun Dance - Wf Pearl Or Dominant silver

[atvchick95]

With Srtiels thread about her new Dominant Silvers and posting one that looked identical to Sun Dance, it got me wondering if hes a White Face Pearl after all

I don't know anything about him, I got him with 8 Other tiels, only one had a leg band and that one at the time was 21 and was a Male White Face and I got them in 2007 the only thing I do know about him is they cut one wing off all the way including the bone excuse was "so he wouldn't breed" ...... The ONLY thing it accomplished was him to never fly again and he can't fly he drops straight to the ground like a ton of bricks and I'm afraid he'll hurt his self so I put ladders every where he goes so he can just walk and climb there , it took him until a few months ago to FINALLY come out of the cage period, I've always left the doors open for them to come and go as they please after we wake up, the closest sun dance got to "coming out" was sitting on the inside of the door frame and when i walked in a few months ago and saw he was not only out but on the other side of the room ontop of one of the cages I was beyond Thrilled!

So here are some pics of him

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance/Sundancesinging.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance/SunDanceandroo-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance/002.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance/SunDancecloseup-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance/Sundanceswinging2-1.jpg

Here are some of his babies from Last Breeding season (like i said cutting his wing off only stopped the poor guy from flying)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance%20And%20Goldie/Breeding%2008/SunDanceandGolides4babies5thonewasb.jpg

Sadie before she was fully feathered

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance%20And%20Goldie/Breeding%2008/SunDanceandGoldiesbabyhasbrownfeath.jpg

the White Face pearl
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance%20And%20Goldie/Breeding%2008/SunDanceandGoldies3rdbabyBandnumber.jpg

Wf pearl a little older

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance%20And%20Goldie/Breeding%2008/baby3.jpg

The whole crew - Sadie is the one in the front row closest to the camera
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance%20And%20Goldie/Breeding%2008/all5.jpg

Sadie all by her self

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance%20And%20Goldie/Breeding%2008/Baby2.jpg

and then the 2 babies in question grown up (Sadie -who i still have, and the WF pearl who I don't have any more)

Sadie
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/Sadieagainiwokeherup.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/Sadieoncemore.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/Sadienotcoperating.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/Sadieagain-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/Sadie-1.jpg

WF Pearl


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/3cockatielbabiesforsale-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/For%20sale/Sold/WFPearlforsale10monthsold.jpg


I will try to get pics of Sun Dance's wings open later this evening If i can talk the kids into helping me out

[srtiels]

If you know for sure that Sun Dance is not split to cinnamon it is a good bet that safdie would be a SFDS her little wing flights as they are coming in look like she might be. The bummer is when they are females it is SO HARD to tell if they are DS or not. Her color is lighter than a normal cinnamon pearl WF. You'll have to watch as she goes thru a few molts to see if her overall colortone gets paler.

As to Miracle Baby I just lucked out with her showing the DS wing flights...most young females don't ususally show this.

I could not find all the pix of My Dark Boy.

The first shows his back and markings when I first got him. He looks more like a molted WF pearl than a DS. The second pix shows him after a few molts next to a plain normal SFDS hen. If you notice the very edges of his wing flights...they are edged in black which is a DS trait. The third pix is of one of his medium toned SFDS next to a Recessive Silver.

[srtiels]

Sorry for the typos in the previous posting. I have the letter worn off of most of my keys on the ketboard, and I use the 2 finger method of typing :(

I Meant Sadie, not safdie.

In the first pix dies Sun Dance have the dark edges to his right flight feathers? he looks so much like my boy...

[atvchick95]

Sun Dance is split to cinnamon - he's been paired to Goldie for 2 years - She's the cinnamon Pearl

I believe sun dance's flight feathers are dark, I'll have to go in and double check though.

and don't worry about the typo's All my keyboards are missing the same letters -my screen name letters LOL

Sadie doesn't match the cinnamon color at all, I have her brother Pooh who is actually Cinnamon Pearl and he's lost all his pearls he just has a few white spots like Sun Dance does, But he looks cinnamon and shows up in almost all my pics as Cinnamon Even when him and Sadie are side by side her color doesn't match his color and I can never get her color to come out , It's either too light or too dark - too dark was the pic of her standing at the end of her cage where she actually looks Brown But she's not brown in person like Pooh is

both Sadie and Pooh will be 1 yr old in August

I'll go check Sun dance's wings now and see if maybe he won't let me get some pics of him and I'll see if i can't get any of Sadie while i'm at it and see if i can get some to look more like her.

[srtiels]

Yes...I agree, Sadies cinnamon tone is different than most WF-CP With DS it is more of a greyish tan, not as warm of a color as regular cinnamon.

I have a Note to myself to do tomorriw. I have a WF cinnamon pearl and I have a WF pearl that I am suspecting that she 'might possibly' be a DS. The reason why is that the black portion of the pearling is actually a diluted blackish-brown. Hopefully I can pick up the difference between the two with good lighting and the digital camera.

With Miracle Baby, she is the color of a WF cinnamon pearl, but her flight feathers are DS.

[atvchick95]

Sun Dance wasn't cooperating to well but these are the best I was able to get of him

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance/SunDance2.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance/SunDance3.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance/SunDance4.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sun%20Dance/SunDance5.jpg

And here are the best ones i was able to get of Sadie

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/Sadie2.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Sadie/Sadie4.jpg

This is pooh I took today - he's not this dark though he's more of a light Coco tan color

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Pooh/Pooh2.jpg

[srtiels]

Ok...with Sun Dance you can see the dilution where the molted out pearling was at and that forms a patern like this ( ) on his back. Now in the ceneter of his back he has another pattern that is not as typical of molted pearling and looks more like scalloping. if the black eges of his wings are solid black right to the edge that could be DS. When the black is edged with very fine line of pale tan it is a pearl, and solid black to the edge a DS.

Pooh is hard to tell. He looks like he has a very faint scull cap to the back of his head, and I can see some darker feathers leftover from going through a molt...but it shows he is lightening up in color.

[atvchick95]

ya the white specks on Sun Dance where it looks like some one took and used an air brush and hit him here and there - thats what tipped us off for him being Pearl

here's a older pic of pooh - only about 2 months ago or so

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Pooh/Poohisalldoneandreadytogobacktotheb.jpg

[srtiels]

Yes...and to confirm he is pearl, you can fan his tail feathers and look at the upderside, close to the body...they will appear speckled or mottled looking. When split to pearl they can get the faded ( ) to the back, but they won't have the mottling to the upper portion of the underside of the tail feathers.

[atvchick95]

ya, Him and Goldie only have Pearl babies :D

I've tried pairing him with other females, but he's bonded with Goldie and won't give another female the time of day

but i'm thinking now if i could get him to go for a different female (which all I have is a Pied) that it may help determine if he is Dominant Silver or not

[srtiels]

If you can lure him away from Goldie, try for a plain normal or a plain normal WF. Pied tends to mask alot of the DS traits. With Plain it is easier to tell if DS or not. I've got the pied almost worked out of mine, and now slowly working backwards to work out the pearl.

Attached is my ideal of a DS. Notice the black scullcap behind the head. Try as I may I just can't get that with mine. The newest light toned baby may possibly have a faint scullcap by looking at it's pin feathers, but I won't know for sure til it feathers out.

Finding breeder with plain DS are like finding hens teeth. I'm hoping to eventually find a breeder that has some DS that consistantly throw the black scull cap.

[atvchick95]

That is a pretty bird

Right now other than the pied, The only other other female I have is a White Face Fallow and that probably isn't a good pairing, huh?

[srtiels]

Nah!...not the fallow either. If Sun Dance is not split to pied then you'll have to try the WF pied. The babies will be split pied, but if the split marks stay to a few feathers on the back of the head then it shouldn't be a problem.

[atvchick95]

the pied female is just plain pied - as far as i know she has no splits She's only been with my grey who is split to Pied and Lutino and so far all i've ever gotten from them are Greys split to pied, Lutino(females) split to pied and pieds