What Mutation is Goldie?????

[atvchick95]

I've seen several birds that look like her ALL of differnt mutations I need help :D


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Goldiefaraway.jpg


Close up of her back


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Goldiecloseup.jpg


One more I took with my son's camera to see if the colors came out better with his camera

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/goldietakenwithBrockscamera.jpg

[Sophia]

Wow! Goldie is adorable! :love: I don't know what mutation she is :confused: Sorry!

[Aly]

Looks like a pearl to me but I'm not an expert on this..let the others answer.

[Laura]

She is definitely Pearl but if there is anything else in her I am not sure of that

[Bea]

Yup, looks like a pearl to me too. :)

[atvchick95]

she's brown and yellow

but she also matches pictures i've seen of a Pearl split to pied split to emerald

along with a

Single Factor Dominate Silver Pearl Split to white face

I was going more with the picture i saw of a Cinnoman pearl she matched it almost to a T, the other 2 i mentioned above doesn't have as much yellow as she does,

i've got one cinnoman pearl and they look nothing alike, but i know some can have more Pearl markings then other, the only thing that matches is the Brown color going through her wings

her belly is like a very light washed out tan (which is what made her match the Dominate Silver Single factor split to white face)

[DeBree420]

she's brown and yellow

but she also matches pictures i've seen of a Pearl split to pied split to emerald

along with a

Single Factor Dominate Silver Pearl Split to white face

I was going more with the picture i saw of a Cinnoman pearl she matched it almost to a T, the other 2 i mentioned above doesn't have as much yellow as she does,

i've got one cinnoman pearl and they look nothing alike, but i know some can have more Pearl markings then other, the only thing that matches is the Brown color going through her wings

her belly is like a very light washed out tan (which is what made her match the Dominate Silver Single factor split to white face)


well she could be cinnamon, but i would say it is more likely silver with a heavy yellow suffusion...
pied is the ONLY mutation that you can visually see a split.... all other 'splits' are invisible, known only by knowing the parent line, trial breeding and genetic testing...
some pearls are heavily pearled and some have just a scattering of crescent pearl patterning...

from those pikkies i really cant tell if it is cinnamon, or a heavy suffused yellow under silver....
hehe if it was a whiteface i could tell straight away, as there is no confusing yellow undertones....
the yellow base colour is enhanced usually with any melanin reducing gene (silver, cinnamon, platinum)

cinnamon and pearl are both sex linked genes, so if she is cinnamon and also is a girl, you will have to pair her with a split cinnamon at least if you are hoping to get any cinnamon babies.... otherwise you will just get normal girls and normal boys split to cinnamon!(only boys can be split)

[atvchick95]

I looked up Suffesed Yellow Pearl - both pics were of a light mealnistic(spelling?) But it still looks like her, I guess she'd be "heavy mealnistic" because she's got more silverish and yellow then the ones in the pics i found but it matches her other then that to a T

Thanks

[Kirby]

Cinnamon pearl, for sure :) She looks very much like my Disney, just more fluffier ;) See Disneys pics in my gallery

Kirby

[DeBree420]

melanin makes the dark colour pigment... cant remember the name that makes the yellow/orange colour off the top of my head...
...uh...psittacin thats it....or lipochromes
so she is probly heavy psittacin but light melanin...

Disney is definitely cinnamon!, a cute one at that.... still not sold on Goldies colour though

[xxxSpikexxx]

She looks like an emerald type cockatiel http://www.birdhobbyist.com/parrotcolour/cocktiel/cocky01.html Thats just my guess

[DeBree420]

She looks like an emerald type cockatiel http://www.birdhobbyist.com/parrotcolour/cocktiel/cocky01.html Thats just my guess

an emerald is just a dark silver with heavy yellow suffusion! ;)
so yeah, youre probably right!

sometimes they say an emerald is a 'light spangle' or 'edged' silver with heavy yellow suffusion...
you wont find a whiteface emerald!

[atvchick95]

I'm starting to think Goldie is a Hinze 57 LOL but she sure does match alot of different mutations

is there another name for the Silver Suffusion? I was using the chart i use to see what the babies will be if i bred certain mutations and well that isn't on there LOL

I use this website for it ( i know its not 100% but it gives us an Idea)

http://www.kirstenmunson.com/cockatiels/blue.html

[DeBree420]

well she would be silver.... yellow suffusion is not a 'mutation' as such... rather a level of the lipochromes(yellow colour) in the bird... 'suffusion' is just a word describing the way the colour shows through or is 'suffused' through the melanin colours(greys,browns)

the thing with silver or cinnamon is that because the melanin pigment is so weak (dark grey showing as silver or cinnamon) it is not strong enough to 'cover' the base colour of yellow or white....
also, sometimes in a 'dilute' melanin colour mutation, the bird is a brighter shade of yellow as the lipochromes seem to use the leftover 'genetic colour energy' left over from not having to produce so much melanin...
that is why the females of some 'dilute' mutations have deceptively bright yellow or white faces...

[Sarin]

She is 100% without a doubt a Golden Cinnamon Pearl. The more yellow on pearls are called Golden Pearls. My Roelani is a Golden Pearl. (Siggy)

I honestly don't think she has Silver or olive in her. Here is a picture of Roelani:

http://i25.tinypic.com/zt8bc6.jpg

As you can see, she looks identical to the other tiel here (Just doesn't have cinnamon) And she is a Golden Pearl.

Hope this helps. ;)

[DeBree420]

sometimes the heavily yellow pearls are referred to as 'golden' pearls, but people also refer to any yellow based pearl as a 'golden pearl' and likewise, a white based pearl is sometimes known as a 'silver' pearl, when in fact the bird is a normal grey...
this makes it all really confusing...

Roelani is a beautiful pearl! and definitely 'golden' in the logical way...

i definitely think Goldie is a 'dilute' mutation (cinnamon or silver), but i also think i cant be certain from those piks... so i cant pass a judgement on which one, to tell you what to type into your breeding website thing...

[atvchick95]

I found some more pictures of Goldie, Don't know if it'll help any but here we go

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/011-4.jpg


Heres a front shot of her

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/005.jpg


Another front shot

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/Rescue%20Tiels%2011%2013%2007/Picture042-1.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/Rescue%20Tiels%2011%2013%2007/Picture012.jpg

Hope this helps :-) I really like knowing what mutations my birds are

[Kirby]

As I said earlier... im 100% certain she is a cinnamon pearl ;) I know for a sure fact, and I am good at mutations. Trust me mate :)

Sarin... she is not 'Golden'... I don't know where you all come up with the name golden pearl lol. There is cinnamon and normal pearls (and whiteface, lutino e.t.c). Sure there may be a golden pearl mutation, but its just the colour of the pearling on the cinnamon, that varies. You all say goldens have yellow pearlings. Well Disney, my cinnamon pearl... has yellow and white pearls. Thats not a golden even though she had yellow, and neither is this hen. If anything, Roelani is a 'golden' lol.

You are making this too hard on yourselves lol... This hens mutation is not that hard guys, its simply a CINNAMON PEARL! done, done and done! :)

Kirby

[atvchick95]

ok then is she considered heavy pearl?

because i've got a Cinnamon pearl (pictured below)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/newest%20tiels%2010%2012%2007/Pearl-CinnomanPearl.jpg

and her and goldie look nothing alike except the brown tones

[Kirby]

shes actually a cinnamon pearl pied which would be her full mutation... and no it would not be 'heavy pearl' but rather 'heavy pied'. As all pearls will have a lot of pearling, but not all pieds have the same amount of spots. So since she has hardly any, she is heavily loaded with markings, which happen to be cinnamon pearls :)

Kirby

[atvchick95]

:D oo ok thank you very much

[Sarin]

Well we all agreed on two mutations. Cinnamon Pearl, which I think would be the most correct answer. Although she did look golden in the first pictures. ;)

[DeBree420]

lol.... golden isnt a mutation, just a shade...
tiels can be lightly or heavily pearled, i know of many pearl tiels who look completely different from each other as one has lots and lots of smallish pearl patterning, and the other has less, but larger pearl patterns... this is not a separate mutation either, just the variation in the mutation 'pearl'
yes i feel confident now in saying that she definitely is a cinnamon...
i was sure she was a 'dilute' mutation, but i have seen genetic cinnamons who look silver, and genetic silver on a yellow base that look cinnamon... some birds i have had to take out under sunlight to tell its real mutation (even though i have seen the obviously one way or the other parents:p)
i guess my point is that after all my experience with cinnamons, i dont think i could just 'tell' from a single photo...
are you sure that front on photo is Goldie though.... the patterning on the face seems to be missing in some of those other shots... well if it is her, she is also pied :p

[atvchick95]

the one where she's on top of the black cage with the white face and budgies is but i didn't notice i grabed the wrong picture of the one inside the cage

[DeBree420]

the one where she's on top of the black cage with the white face and budgies is but i didn't notice i grabed the wrong picture of the one inside the cage

hehe thought they were different birds!...

i thought... am i going crazy?... cos i thought i definitely would not trust my mutation judgement if i had missed something obvious like pied :p

[nic bike]

I couldn't tell you what mutation she is but I can tell you how cute she is lol. :p