not a happy camper

[allen]

i had my breeder over the other day and she wanted to see stretch now stretch and sparkles has been acting kind of strange lately sparkles i was not able to find her after 7 pm and stretch my very tame very friendly tiel has turned another leaf he won,t let no one near him he nips and hisses at you won,t let you give him scritches at all we looked for him and we finally found him in the linen closet in the corner with sparkles i thought this was very strange but my breeder said i no whats up but dumb me did not she said you better get your cage setup real quick with a breeding box i said why they have no eggs well to make a long story short we discovered 4 eggs so i was not sure if they would like us moving the eggs then my breeder got a big treat stretch is so tame he goes to anyone that comes in and wants scitches and he loves to preen there ear hairs wich i don,t alow so he all of a sudden attacked her hand drew blood we did get the eggs in the box and stretch as well as sparkles stretch went right to the eggs and sat right on them so then we candled the eggs and she said so far 3 are fertile so bye wednesday i should no if the last one is fertile if she don,t lay no more i did not want them to have eggs not till atleast march or april so

[sweetrsue]

It sounds like they had a different schedule than you! Good Luck!

[allen]

i would rather that they were older though but i can,t chage that now

[sweetrsue]

Well they did hide it from you. It's not like you set them up in a breeding cage or anything. You're a responsible guy. They were just too sneaky for you. They must have a real drive to set up in the linen closet!

[allen]

well it is dark in there and just to be curious we used the thermonitor temp is like 79

[Bea]

How old are they now Allen? I hope all goes well with them. :)

[allen]

stretch is like 15 1/2 months old sparkles will be 1 november 1st stretch is old enough but i would of liked sparkles to be at least 18 months

[sweetrsue]

If she has already laid the eggs the dangerous part is over. I know you provide plenty of cuttlebone. She obviously had enough to lay without a problem.

[allen]

it just surprised me they laid them in the linen closet

[sweetrsue]

Any dark place where they can tuck themselves away out of sight will do in a pinch. You'll just have to watch them when these babies start fledging that they don't disappear again.

[allen]

all closet doors are now going to be kept shut

[Plukie]

Any dark place where they can tuck themselves away out of sight will do in a pinch. You'll just have to watch them when these babies start fledging that they don't disappear again.


Now you see, that's confusing for me Sue. To stop them from being hormonal and doing the dirty deed, you said to cover them up around 13 hours a day, that will stop the breeding instinct.......then you said "Any dark place....will do" can you help me out here please.

all closet doors are now going to be kept shut

Where there's a will there's a way!

[allen]

if you keep it dark before they start to mate then they will think breeding season is over but once they do mate they will seek out a dark warm place for the eggs

[kimmikefids]

im glad that she safely laid the eggs....typical tiels doing things by their schedule not ours :p ur ognna be busy with babies soon!!!

[allen]

yea thats going to be like 8 if all are fertile

[kimmikefids]

wow thats alot of babies!!!

[allen]

yea and cinny and snowball are still mating as well

[sweetrsue]

[quote=Plukie;50215]Now you see, that's confusing for me Sue. To stop them from being hormonal and doing the dirty deed, you said to cover them up around 13 hours a day, that will stop the breeding instinct.......then you said "Any dark place....will do" can you help me out here please.

The natural nest site for a Cockatiel is a hollow in a tree (a dark place). To lay eggs they will seek out a dark place that is tucked away. If their conditions outside the box/closet are still mostly light along with other factors like fresh greens they will consider it an OK time of year to do the "dirty deed" but they will always prefer a dark place to lay.

[Plukie]

Ah.........ok, I've got it now, thanks very much for clearing that up!

*Runs to cover the birds*

[PtsRPpl2]

So I guess more congratulations are in order?? :p Sneaky lil tiels, huh?

[allen]

sneaky is right i heard they can be sneaky like that but it is not normal

[xxxSpikexxx]

Oh my sneaky tiels, I think you should name one of the babies Cotton :p

[allen]

if i get more then 1 lutino i hope they will be females

[sweetrsue]

Any Lutinos you get will be females.

[allen]

ok i got 2 calls tonight first one was from a lady who wants 4 tiels from me i had no problem but she wanted them from the same clutch so i enquired to what she wanted them for she said to breed them so i asked what tiels do you have she said none so this was not going good i asked one last question i said where are you going to get mates for them from she said i,m just going to mate the 4 up i said sorry but you should not do that as the chicks would have problems so i said sorry but no sale

then i got a call from a 10 year old girl who she and her parents wanted to come and talk to me about her tiel so they came over we talked and she said could you tell my parents what you feed your tiels so i said a good seed with romain carrots rice brocolli mashed potatoe cucumber cooked beans then the daughter said see dad they are supose to eat like us i said whats going on so steph said i told my dad what they eat and he said no you are wrong then i said i,ll tell you wat i will do so i printed off the good and bad food and good plants and bad plants she thanked me for it so did her dad the miracle came flying over to her landed on her head she said he is tame i said yes she is very tame and her name is miracle then her dad said is she for sale i said no way then i showed them all the pics he said no wonder she is named miracle and i don,t blame you for not selling her then i said i do have 2 tiels on eggs but i have one person that has first choice allready they said no problem as long as they are going to be tame we want one so i have another sale

[sweetrsue]

Good going Allen! Another good deed to boot!

[allen]

what amazed me was the girl new more then her dad and when i showed the pics i could tell it touched her dad but no way is miracle going with them

ok i candled stretches and sparkles eggs 3 out of 4 are fertile so now it is a waiting game if i guess right the way the eggs look they should start to hatch early next week

[allen]

ok like with bea and her birds lastnight stretch had his time out of the cage but if he is in the cage he is not the tame friendly tiels that sits on your shoulder he is when he is out of the cage but when you go near the cage and he sees you he dashes at you goes to peck you and hissing all the while but sparkles is still friendly as ever giving and recieving scritches

[sweetrsue]

So cool that that 10 year old girl has already done her home work about cockatiels. She'll end up a bird lady for sure. Maybe she'll even go on to study avian medicine. Anyone at 10 years old motivated to research proper care and feeding is exceptional. Stretch will be back to his old self once there aren't eggs or babies to protect.

[allen]

yea i thought the same about her as well and i no when stretch has free time out of the cage he is nice as can be

[allen]

ok i,m really thinking that stretch and sparkles have had there eggs longer then i thought as today both stretch and sparkles have been in the nest box and not comeing out at all

[allen]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture124.jpg
4 eggs

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture125.jpg
sparkles

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture126.jpg
sparkles and stretch

[allen]

ok i just found out that sparkles is what i thought pearl no splits but stretch is grey split to lutino to cinnamon so i redid the genetic

Mother:Cinnamon Pearl
Father:Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon Lutino}

male offspring:
50% Cinnamon Split To {X1: Lutino} {X2: Pearl}
50% Grey Split To {X2: Cinnamon Pearl}

female offspring:
50% Cinnamon Lutino
50% Grey

[kimmikefids]

omg!!!! a cinnamon!!!!! thats what i want!!!!!!!!!!!

[allen]

ok my breeder was over she looked at the eggs she then told me that they look like they will start to hatch this monday

[allen]

plug your ears mike make that 2 eggs hatching one of sparkles is hatching as well

[Solace.]

All these eggs are making me want more babies! :eek:

Bless Sparkles, what a good mummy, and Stretch.. what can you say, what a fab daddy.

[kimmikefids]

oh wow!!!! lol.....how exciting!!!! its put me in a great mood now compared to my less than pleasant mood earlier today lol

[allen]

Mother:Pied
Father:Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon Lutino}

male offspring:
50% Grey Split To Pied {X1: Cinnamon Lutino}
50% Grey Split To Pied

female offspring:
50% Cinnamon Lutino Split To Pied
50% Grey Split To Pied

[allen]

ok i was curious i was talking to my breeder who i got stretch off of and stretch is a common grey now his mom is a cinnamon and his dad a lutino now i do no that makes him split to lutino but with the female gene will that make him split to cinnamon also

[kimmikefids]

thats an interesting development.......what will that make the babies? oh and how are the babies doing??

[allen]

not out of the shell yet

[allen]

i,ll post the genetics if he is split to cinnamon and if he isn,t

[kimmikefids]

i think it will make him x1 lutino x2 cinnamon

[kimmikefids]

:blush: sorry im anxious to hear they are out lol.....just ignore me

[allen]

you and me both this is there first chicks for stretch and sparkles

[kimmikefids]

i hear you.....im going to be horrible when its chico and belle's first...i mean look at me and its not even my birds!!! lol

[kimmikefids]

you should get female lutinos and cinnamons 50% each from this combo!! so it says on paper lol.....and grey males

[kimmikefids]

its really helping me learn mutations with your birdies

[allen]

wait till i get a mate for shadow my wf male

[kimmikefids]

lol what mutation are u thinking of getting?

[allen]

wf cinnamon

[kimmikefids]

oooo nice....he is such a handsome man!!

[allen]

he is also anotherone that bopper plucked

[kimmikefids]

oh really?? its a shame bopper does that....can't imagine it makes him a popular tiel friend!! man that will make 5 pairs and 3 more tiel to pair up...well 2 since bopper plucks...well 1 since miracle wont be ready for ages....lol....but still potential future additions!!

[allen]

i,m going to keep one of the males from stretch and sparkles for miracle as bye the time he is ready she will be like around 16 months

[kimmikefids]

oh good idea!!

[allen]

seems i have another buyer for the up comming chick here is the email i got
Hey allen,
I really appreciate you getting a bird for me. I would much rather wait for one of yours than one from the pet store. It's better to get one from someone you trust. You don't know what you are getting from a pet store. My cage measurements are 15" long, 13" wide, 19 3/4" high.

i emailed him back said he needs a bigger cage i do no a person with a proper cage for sale

[kimmikefids]

oh thats cool....u'll have them all sold before they even hatch!!!

[allen]

i have known his father since i was like 22 thats over 25 years

[allen]

egg 1 hatched today

[allen]

ok i checked on the chick to see if stretch and sparkles was feeding it i thought it was strange i have not heard the peeping from it and i,m sad to say the chick did not make it when i looked at it closer i saw it had only one foot makes me sad that it did not make it so i will be keeping a closer eye on there chicks another chick is due to hatch today

[Danielle]

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope the other eggs hatch healthy little chicks.

[kimmikefids]

aww poor little baby....RIP little one...so sad....i hope the rest are ok and make it

[sweetrsue]

Sending good thoughts for the rest.

[Pandabear16]

That's terrible, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you have tons of other babies that are happy and healthy.

[allen]

ok i just peeked in strech and sparkles box even though it is not fully hatched i can hear the chick

[sweetrsue]

Oh! That's good news. Go baby go!

[allen]

i,m going to keep a close eye on these as this is stretch and sparkles first time as parents

[sweetrsue]

It's always good to monitor the babies, like you said... first time parents ...you may have to lend a helping hand. It's a good thing that your birds are so tame, that will make it much easier.

[allen]

stretch is tame but if he is sittiing on the eggs he is nasty with a capital N

[sweetrsue]

That's kind of a good thing too tho. It shows how protective he will be and what a strong drive he has to be a Daddy. I always look for the bright side. I usually find it. I'm sure Stretch will be Very good. He certainly has the instincts intact.

[allen]

yes thats what i thought as well

[kimmikefids]

crossing my fingers allen...keep us updated!!!

[allen]

ok and here are todays pics now kim can get off the pins and needles hatched today october 22 2008
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/hatchedoctober2208.jpg
hatched october 22/08
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/aproudmom.jpg
a proud mom
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/dadprotecting.jpg
dad protecting

[kimmikefids]

aaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww.....how cute!!!! hi potential baby of ours!!! crossing everything i have that he/she makes it fine....how exciting!!!

[allen]

ok i have a question i no stretch is common grey split to lutino but his mom is cinnamon would that make him (x2cinnamon)
if so this is what they will have

Mother:Pearl
Father:Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon Lutino}

male offspring:
50% Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon Lutino} {X2: Pearl}
50% Grey Split To {X2: Pearl}

female offspring:
50% Cinnamon Lutino
50% Grey

if he would not then this is what the chicks will be


Mother:Pearl
Father:Grey Split To {X1: Lutino}

male offspring:
50% Grey Split To {X1: Lutino} {X2: Pearl}
50% Grey Split To {X2: Pearl}

female offspring:
50% Lutino
50% Grey

[kimmikefids]

his dad is a lutino? i believe that would make stretch grey (X1: lutino) (X2: Cinnamon) as X1 is from dad and X2 is from mom

[allen]

yes that is correct

[allen]

Mother:Pearl
Father:Grey Split To {X1: Lutino} {X2: Cinnamon}

male offspring:
50% Grey Split To {X1: Lutino} {X2: Pearl}
50% Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Pearl}

female offspring:
50% Lutino
50% Cinnamon

[kimmikefids]

will be interesting to see what the little guy/s turn out

[allen]

this one will not be lutino as you can see he will have dark eyes

[allen]

there is still a chance for female lutino come on lutino i want a female lutino

[kimmikefids]

so it will either be a grey male...could it be a cinnamon female?? do cinnamons look different to greys at birth?

[kimmikefids]

lol....crossing my fingers for u!! i want a grey male or a cinnamon female lol.....but i haven't consulted Mikey yet lol

[allen]

i,m not sure but when sue comes on she will let us no or plukie

[kimmikefids]

i seem to remember that they have a lighter beak and feet but i dont know if u can tell that early on....its great tho...im learning so much!!! mind u im sure i'll drive u all mad when its my time to have a clutch!!

[sweetrsue]

Cinnamons look the same as gray at birth. You can start to see a difference in the color of their feet at about 10 days. Some people claim they can tell by the toenails earlier but I don't see it.

[allen]

i new you would no sue

[allen]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/8hourslatter.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/asleepinglittletiel.jpg

[huskymom]

actually cinnamons eyes can look different.. they will be a brownish color other than the dark blackish tone normal greys have... lutinos will be pink almost see throguh...

if you have a chance to look closely and see it more brownish then you got a female or if they are regular dark color you´ve got a gray male

[allen]

it just hatched today

[huskymom]

aww... how adorable!!...

this are lutino and normal eyes
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r145/kazzart/budgies/DSCF0460-1.jpg

cinnamons are in between... plumish/brownish...
(can´t fin the pic... but I´ll keep looking for it.. I know I´ve seen it)

[sweetrsue]

I have some early pics of a clutch with grays and Cinnamons. I really can't see the difference in the eye color but the feet...yes. They are 12 and 10 days old in the second shot. The first one is a group shot. One of them turned out to be a Cinnamon.
787

788

[allen]

i,m hopeing for at least one lutino

[sweetrsue]

Your chances statistically are one in four if I remember correctly.

[allen]

i no it would be better odds with cinny and snow ball as snow ball is a lutino

[sweetrsue]

Yes all of Snowballs baby girls would be Lutinos. In my post before the last one I was just trying to show how hard it would be to pick out a Cinnamon at an early age. I can't tell 'till about the age of those photos.

[allen]

either way they will be gorgious

[sweetrsue]

...No doubt!

[huskymom]

I too can´t wait to see if you get a lutino or 2 ;)

[allen]

the chick is doing well it is chirping away

[sweetrsue]

That's good news Allen.

[allen]

egg #2 has started to hatch

[Bea]

How exciting!! :D Looking forward to pics.

[allen]

ok bye the sounds of it sparkles is feeding the chick

[allen]

ok the lutino wait is over i have a lutino here is the pic
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/hatchedoctober2308.jpg

[huskymom]

YAY!!!!.... a so much awaited lutino... YAY!!...

welcome to the world baby girl!!

[sweetrsue]

Good for you! Just what you hoped for. Woo Hoo!!!

[allen]

it is amazing the growth in one day the eldest is like 2x the size of the lutino

[allen]

one egg left to hatch for them

[xxxSpikexxx]

Congradulations of the two babies :D

[Solace.]

Aww bless, congrats. :D

[sweetrsue]

Congrats Allen. I'm sure they will be beautiful.

[allen]

ok chick 3 is going to make an apearance tomorow

[huskymom]

how exciting!!!.. can´t wait to see if it´s another lutino gal... another boy wouldbe nice too ;)

[bigmikey36]

thats awesome allen!!! sorry i haven't commented much but things are a bit out of sorts since kim broke her leg and i've been quite worried about her. i will text her now and tell her about your new baby!!!!
Mikey

[allen]

what when did she do that

[bigmikey36]

She did it on tuesday Allen. I text messaged her last night and told her about the new hatchlings, well she knew about the first but anyways she is very excited and happy for you though i did not tell her the second chick was a lutino. She will hopefully be back online soon because i am away on business for a week from the 2nd to the 8th of November
Mikey

[allen]

yipee chick 3 just made it,s way out of the egg so we have 3 chicks only 1 is lutino

[allen]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/3rdonejusthatched.jpg
3rd one just hatched
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/3littlechicks.jpg
3 little chicks

[sweetrsue]

Congrats Allen. Can't wait to see them grow up.

[allen]

yes i,ll be posting pics of them as well

i did get a call someone wants a female lutino and is willing to pay $150.00 they said they are willing to wait as they can,t find anyone in our area with female lutino chicks

[allen]

ok as most no i volunteer with the salvation army doing the christmas kettles when i start the chicks will be like 5 weeks old i plan on hand feeding them question is bye then they should be at 3 feedings a day if i do have to do 4 a day i have a neighbour that will do it for 1 week or 2 now i leave here at 8 am i plan on doing a 7 am feeding then 2 pm then 9 pm or i can do the hand raising method

[Solace.]

Fluff balls, congrats on the 3 bubs. :D

My 3 were on 4 feedings a day at 5 weeks.

[allen]

it is different with every bird miracle was 3 feedings at 5 weeks

[Solace.]

That's true. At least it'll be a breeze for you since you've done it before. I guess that's a good thing with for breeders, it makes it easier.

[bigmikey36]

Congratulations on the third baby Allen i'm glad to see it made it out of the egg ok.
Mikey

[allen]

you and me both i bet kim will be wondering wich one you guys will get but i have always wanted a lutino with red eyes

also here are the hatch dates
oldest october 22 nd sold
lutino october 23 rd not for sale future breeder
youngest october 25th sold

[allen]

and the pics start
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/chick1.jpg
chick 1
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/chick2-1.jpg
chick 2
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/chick3.jpg
chick 3

[allen]

ok here is a pic of my lutino after feeding
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/afterfeeding.jpg

[sweetrsue]

What cuties!

[allen]

here are the weights of my 3 going from oldest to the youngest
chick 1 14grams 5 days old
chick 2 13 grams 4 days old
chick 3 5 grams 2 days old


Expected Weight Gains of Hand-Raised Cockatiel Chicks

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Age Weight (In Grams)
0-2 days 4-6
3-6 days 5-12
1-2 weeks 12-45
2-3 weeks 45-72
3-4 weeks 72-108
4-5 weeks 80-120
5-6 weeks 80-90
6-7 weeks 80-95
7 weeks - Adult 90-110


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please note that weight gain becomes steady until the 4-5 week stage, which is when fledging normally begins. Baby cockatiels go on a "diet" then, eating less at each feeding; they appear to only be interested in flying. Be persistent, and offer them different types of food to pick at in their cage during this time frame. They should not lose more than 10% of their top body weight during fledging.

[sweetrsue]

Aren't you letting the parents do any of the feeding?

[allen]

yes i am they are doing it all till around 3 weeks

[huskymom]

congrats!! two boys and a girl yay!!... lovely pics... so cute!!

[allen]

yea but if one turns out to be cinamon it would be female

[allen]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/dontilookhandsome.jpg
don,t i look handsome

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/areyoumynewdady.jpg
are you my new daddy

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/imtheyoungest.jpg
i,m the youngest

[huskymom]

dad is also split cinnamon??.. yay!!... lets hope you get one of each

[sweetrsue]

They are soooo cute!

[allen]

ok i just did my night time check on the chicks and lord behold chick 1 i can see a slit on his eye so his eyes are just starting to open

[sweetrsue]

What no pictures?

[allen]

i went to get the camera and when i got back stretch was in with them and he is one mean very protective daddy i value my hand

[sweetrsue]

Good Man!....Stretch and you!

[allen]

of course we could have you try and pick them up

[sweetrsue]

I'll pass. It's never any good upsetting parents! Far be it from me to get between Stretch and his bubs.

[allen]

and the growing starts
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/introducingpinkie.jpg
ntroducing pinkie

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/myeyesareopening-2.jpg
my eyes are opening

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/smallbutgrowing.jpg
small but growing.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/suchacutie.jpg
such a cutie

[sweetrsue]

I hope you keep the name Pinkie. It is very cute!

[allen]

thats her name

[huskymom]

how adorable!!.. love the name...it´s sooo fitting and cute!!

[allen]

that makes 13 cockatiels 1 gcc

[allen]

ok the 2 older chicks are eating most of the food but the younger one needs to be toped off once or twice a day but it is still getting food from dad but not all the way full

[kimmikefids]

how exciting....3!!! will be interesting to see if one turns out to be cinnamon abut at least we get a choice with 2!!! pinkie is an adorable name...they are all beautiful!!!

[allen]

now the hard part for you and mike when the he/she does feather up wich will it be

[allen]

good thoughts are needed ok seems for now i have to give chick 3 2 feedings a day mom is not feeding it as she should but stretch is so good thoughts for sparkles to start feeding it is required

[sweetrsue]

Good thoughts Allen! I know you will keep an eye on the situation!

[allen]

well if miracle is anything like this one he/she will do great and be spoiled

[allen]

ok the eyes are opening on pinkie and on the first hatched also i can see dark spots on first born it will be hard to tell with pinkie

[allen]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/myeyesareopeningchick1.jpg
my eyes are opening chick 1

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/upclosechick1.jpg
up close chick 1

[kimmikefids]

awwwwwwwww how cute!!! sad thing is looks like i won't be there when whichever we pick comes home but thats ok....can't wait to see more growing....and sending all my thoughts for Sparkles to start feeding

[allen]

well don,t forget what i told you about with your choice of your tiel

[kimmikefids]

yep i remember!!! will be a fantastic welcome....just sad that since my leg is broken im going to have to delay coming back....but its just a little hurdle...thanks for reminding me...something else to look forward to!!!

[allen]

and i have named the lutino pinkie

[kimmikefids]

i saw that...thats so cute!!!!

[sweetrsue]

Hey! No jumping hurdles Kim!

[kimmikefids]

lma...only the metaphorical kinds i promise!!!

[allen]

tomorow i pick up my order of spray millet 21 pounds for $25.00

[kimmikefids]

oh awesome....u will be a popular daddy im sure!!

[Solace.]

They'll all love him to death when he's got the Millet.

[allen]

ok i was watching stretch feeding the chicks and after the 2 older ones were fed stretch went to feed the youngest but one of the older ones tried to get it but for some reason stretch proceeded to feed the youngest one so i have no problem with stretch feeding

[sweetrsue]

That's good! He sounds like a good Daddy!

[allen]

yes he is miracle landed on his cage and stretch went right after her so miracle took off before stretch got there

[allen]

ok i saw something i did not want to happen stretch proceeded to get ontop of sparkles but she was not going to have any of that so she nipped his toe he sure got off of her fast

i been watching stretch feed the chicks seems he has his favorite he is now feeding the youngest then the older 2 i can now see where the pin feathers are going to start to come out soon

[allen]

here is the smallest chick after stretch fed her/him
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/afilledupchick.jpg
a filled up chick

[sweetrsue]

Good Job Stretch!

[allen]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/andthepinfeathersstart.jpg
and the pin feathers start

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/hiimpinkie.jpg
hi i,m pinkie

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/momisfinallyfeedingme.jpg
mom is finally feeding me

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/whatwillibe.jpg
what will i be

[sweetrsue]

Such little cuties! Can hardly wait to see exactly what you got.

[allen]

you and me both a cinnamon would be nice

[kimmikefids]

aww they are adorable!!! i secretly would like a cinnamon tho it depends on the personalities...oh yeah...and mikey....lol

[allen]

oh yea kim when you get your tiel i,ll make sure it is not from stretch or sparkles that way incase you want to breed them they won,t be related

[sweetrsue]

Here's a comparison of a baby Cinnamon in pinfeathers and a younger sibling. He was 13 days old in thing pic so if you start to notice the pinfeathers look paler particularly around the face and the feet stay pink it's a good chance you'll have a cinnamon.
862 Cinnamon on the left

[allen]

i think that the smallest one will be behind in growing because sparkles was not feeding it but the first one you can see where the pin feathers are going to start

[sweetrsue]

I know you'll keep the little one up to the standard weights. I's really hard to tell when they just start showing color on the wings. I couldn't really tell I had a Cinnamon until the pinfeathers really started coming out. Before that they looked he same.

[kimmikefids]

well it was be a nice surprise if there is one.......will be waiting with baited breath!

[allen]

here is the oldest and youngest 3 days apart 10 days and 7 days old

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/sizedifference.jpg
size difference

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/sidebyeside.jpg
side bye side

[kimmikefids]

wow 10 and 7 days old already!!! it flew by for me but i was in hospital for 7 of it!!!! they are amazing

[allen]

ok the first 2 chicks have now got pin feathers

[allen]

and more pics
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/pinfeatherspinfeathers.jpg
pin feathers pin feathers

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/canirest.jpg
can i rest

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/crownpinfeathers.jpg
crown pin feathers

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/ahappypinkie.jpg
a happy pinkie

[sweetrsue]

Pinkie looks like she's doing great! So does #1. Little #3 looks like he's holding his own!

[allen]

#3 is now pushing the other 2 so he/she can get food

[sweetrsue]

Good! You watch he'll end up being the biggest one!

[allen]

i have no doubt about that

[allen]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture001-5.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture002-3.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture003-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture005-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture006-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture007-1.jpg

[sweetrsue]

The babies look great!

[allen]

ok looks like i,m gong to be full of tiels in january i have 2 more pairs that are mating cinny and snow ball plus yacky and penelope this time penelope is doing it on the perch

[sweetrsue]

Maybe this time will be different for Cinny and Snowball. Have Yacky and Penelope been parents before?

[allen]

snowball penelope and yacky have never had chicks but cinny has with a different mate

[kimmikefids]

awww they are so cute!!! i cant wait to see little feathers opening!!! the little one seems to be coming along well!!!

[allen]

the little one is comming along even though for his/her age is behind but is gaining

[allen]

the older ones crown pin feathers are starting and they all look yellow

[kimmikefids]

what does that mean? a grey??

[allen]

i have no idea my greys have both grey and yellow

[kimmikefids]

oh well we will find out when more come out i guess!!

[allen]

i do no that the lutinos are all yellow but he/she is not lutino

[kimmikefids]

i suppose the yellow could mean it could be cinnamon as well

[allen]

well in 2-3 weeks we will no

[kimmikefids]

yep...that we will!!!

[allen]

i hope there is a cinnamon and a grey that way you have your choice you and mike

[kimmikefids]

yeah that would be cool.....Mike's away this week for work so when he gets back we will have a talk about it....i know personality is more important to him....of course to me too....but i would love a cinnamon...they are so beautiful

[huskymom]

maybe it´s a pied one... how cute!!... can´t wait to see them all feathered up...

they are so big now.. and cute!

[allen]

ok i just came home and checked on the chicks and i been worried as of the last 2 days stretch and sparkles have been in the nest box but most of the time outside the box about 75-80% of the time out of the box when i did check the small one was shivering so i set up the brooder and some may not agree but i,m more concerned about the health and welfare of the chick so i,m forced into handfeeding again like i always say you should always be prepared for such an emergency

[sweetrsue]

That's the best thing to do. If they aren't being kept warm enough by the parents they won't digest their food. If you hadn't pulled them they probably wouldn't have made it.

[allen]

thats the main reason i set up the brooder

[kimmikefids]

awww well im sure its hard being first time parents....they are lucky you can look after them and heklp them grow into beautiful tiels!! im thinking of u and the babies

[allen]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture008-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture009-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture010-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture011-2.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture012-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture013-1.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture014.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture015.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/Picture016.jpg

[sweetrsue]

All I have to say is WOW!

[allen]

yes i no they are growing like a weed except for chick 3 but she is gobbling the food like crazzy now i also put the thermonitor in the nest box and the temp is like 92

[sweetrsue]

That's a good temp! Itty bitty will catch up in no time. You know from my last two clutches I noticed something odd. The 4 babies with good parents that fed them well and kept them warm are now all smaller than the 5 that had a rough start (not being kept warm enough). They were starving with full crops. They are the ones that ate like mad when I pulled them for hand feeding and I was forced to pull them earlier. Do you think they are better fed by us? Is the formula a better food? Or is it just their drive to get the food that makes them grow bigger? It will be interesting to see what happens with your babies. We can gather more info on the subject. They sure are growing FAST!

[allen]

wait till you see the pic i,m just going to upload

[sweetrsue]

I can hardly believe the ones you posted yesterday.

[allen]

i no they are growing so fast

[allen]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/imhungry.jpg
i,m hungry

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/birdcrazzy/isaidimhungry.jpg
i said i,m hungry

[allen]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i just had a great pic of the month idea

[allen]

ok just to keep you all up to date the youngest chicks eyes has just started to open

[Danielle]

They've grown so quickly! It's amazing how they're thriving.

[kimmikefids]

awwwwwww look at my future babies!!! number 1 and pinkie look huge!!! ur doing great again allen!!

[allen]

thanks i,m just glad #3 eyes are now starting to open

[allen]

ok mutation update chick 1 pied chick 2 lutino chick 3 no pin feathers yet so this is another mystery there should not be a pied


Mother:Pearl
Father:Grey Split To {X1: Lutino} {X2: Cinnamon}

male offspring:
50% Grey Split To {X1: Lutino} {X2: Pearl}
50% Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Pearl}

female offspring:
50% Lutino
50% Cinnamon

[allen]

ok here is the parents starting with stretch
dad lutino
mother cinnamon

sparkles
dad common grey
mother cinnamon pearl

[birdieness]

Hey allen, Just a question? are you Selling these babies and if you are would you be willing to ship? lol i'm currently looking for a lutino myself as a mate for slush. Almost had one but the person changed her mind as the tiel did not like cages at all

[huskymom]

sparkles dad should´ve been at least split pearl for sparkles to be one...

so grandparents father side grandparens mother side
dad: lutino dad: grey (either pearl or split pearl)
mom:cinnamon mom:cinnamon pearl

stretch: grey split lutino and pearl sparkles: pearl

chick 1: pied split pearl boy (then here, parents would have a split pied somewhere for this baby to be one)
chick 2: lutino (genetically girl) and could also be lutino pearl (girl also)
chich 3 : unkown... but could end up being pearl boy, cinnamon girl, or like any of the other two older chicks

[allen]

well time will tell i,m just glad there is lutino

[sweetrsue]

That's nice. Can't wait to see what else you get!

[allen]

i,m hoping for a cinnamon

[sweetrsue]

That's why I had to keep Brownie! A Cinnamon male means many more Cinnamon females in the future, plus he's split to Cinny pearl.

[allen]

well if i,m right would the cinnamons be female as stretch is split to x 2 cinnamon

[sweetrsue]

Yes! Provided Sparkles is a regular Pearl. Any Cinnamons you get will be female.

[allen]

yes she is a common pearl

[sweetrsue]

Any of the babies starting to look like this?
889 Brownie 2 weeks old
There is a definite difference in the face feathers.

[allen]

chick #1 does

[sweetrsue]

Cool! Could very well be a little Cinny! The feet will stay pink or be a light tan. The toenails too! If they look kind of tan you can just about count on it being Cinnamon. As soon as the first feather pops out you will know for sure.

[allen]

the feet are pink

[allen]

actually all the feet are pink

[sweetrsue]

At this age if they were grays the feet would already be turning gray! Woo Hoo!

[allen]

oh boy that would be great i no kim wants a cinnamon or grey and my other customer wants a cinnamon but i did not guarantee cinnamon

[sweetrsue]

That's the smart thing to do 'cause you never know. I find that by 10 days I can see the color change taking place! Your #1 is about 2 weeks now isn't she.

[allen]

#1 16 days old #2 15 days old #3 13 days old

[sweetrsue]

Sounds like you got all girls!

[allen]

thats what i thought as well

[allen]

i do no my lutino is female and she is a keeper