i know you hear this alot but, HELP ME GUESS THE SEX, PLZ.......

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

I THINK ITS A PIED, FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING...........i know it was born @ dec. 15th, so its 2 1/2 months today! && i also know its hard to tell what the sex is visually with pied, if thats what he/she is, so i will upload pix for you, thanx....:confused:

this is what my babe looks like:http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w23/desireebaby07/077.jpg

heres the tail feathers:http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w23/desireebaby07/073.jpg

[sweetrsue]

Yes! It is a pied! In a 2 or 3 months it will be much easier to tell. The striped feathers it has on the underside of it's tail are a female trait. However young males will also have these stripes. If your bird were a normal gray you would begin to see the face change at about 4 or 5 months. Tail feathers seem to take the longest. If your bird is Male, somewhere between 6 month and a year your bird will molt those feathers out and replace them with solid gray feathers. If it's a female those feathers will molt but will be replaced by striped feathers. Seeing how they stand on a perch can be helpful but will not be certain. Males will begin to show male behavior long before they change their feathers. Usually about 4 months. So at your Baby is really too young to be able to even take a stab at guessing it's sex.

[huskymom]

what a pretty pied!! very pretty tail barred yellow feathers.... is he/she normal grey? I mean his grey area is grey not cinnamon...

do you know the parents??..

whatever your baby is he/she´s gorgeous!!

my Cotton, the whiteface pied has barred tail feathers and he´s 2.5 yrs.. and a male.. but then he´s pied too.... ;)

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

thanx, i seen the dad, hes a gray, and the pix i seen from the momma, im guessing a yellow pearl thats why my baby is a mixture.......well, from what i heard about males, i hope he loses his stripes, i want to teach him whistles and to talk, thanx guys..........
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[sweetrsue]

If your baby is a male it will carry the Pearl gene as well. A female on the other hand will not. A female either is or isn't a pearl. So a boy would be good if you want to mate it in the future because roughly half the female offspring will be Pearl. If you were to breed him to a female Pied you will get some Pearl pied females.

[huskymom]

can you share pics of mom and dad?... not because dad is grey and mom yellow mad ehim look like a mix, but rather he got the pied gene... and maybe seeing mom and dad can help us a bit towards helping you more ;)

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

i dont have the dad pic, i just seen him when i picked up my tiel....let me get you a pic the breeder sent me...its very small i couldnt save it while viewing my emails big, but could as a thumbnail! here she is, guys:

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w23/desireebaby07/bird.jpg

[huskymom]

what a pretty pearl mom is... and pied...

if he`s a boy he´ll be carrying the pearl gene and should give some pearl females as sue said before

[Aly]

I'm not sure but what a cutie! If I had to guess I'd say boy.

[xxxSpikexxx]

What a beautiful baby :) Could the breeder do a dna test for you?

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

no, i asked the breeder if he was a pied and she said she didnt even know that.......im just hoping when he molts his feathers he has solid under feathers! and its a plus he'll be a pearl, i wasnt expecting that............after he molts when hes 3-6 or 9 months how long does it take for the new feathers to grow back all the way?

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

funny..., im talking as if he were a boy already!:p

[sweetrsue]

I noticed that! If it is female however it won't carry the pearl gene. Sorry to say.

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

thats fine i can always get a boy later, my focus is her now, if thats what she is..........DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO REGROW FEATHERS AFTER MOLTING THEM? && the whole tail is gone during this process?

[atvchick95]

in order to get pied babies from Normal grey male and a Pearl female, both parents are carrying the pied gene, dad is most likely split to it if he is not pied(like the baby), and the mom looks to be normal pearl so she too would be split

how ever you'd get pieds in both males and females - but in this out come it does make it easier to know which pied is split to what since there is only one in the males it means if yours is male it is split to pearl :)


Mother:Pearl Split To Pied
Father:Grey Split To Pied

male offspring:
25% Pied Split To {X2: Pearl}
25% Grey Split To {X2: Pearl}
50% Grey Split To Pied {X2: Pearl}

female offspring:
25% Pied
25% Grey
50% Grey Split To Pied


no, i asked the breeder if he was a pied and she said she didnt even know that.

But the breeder didn't know the baby was Pied????

in all honesty - a breeder not knowing the mutations of the babies would make me stay far away from them. I wouldn't get any more from that breeder, but that's just me personally

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

well, i wasnt looking for a certain type of tiel, just a baby one to have it grow up with me...........but the other two babies that were hatched wiht this one was, another one like this and a all yellow one! is that a lutino? and this was the secind set of babes, the first set, she had left, was a all yellow and gray one............

[huskymom]

if they had an all yellow with red eyes... they sure were lutinos... and means dad is split lutino also... so your baby most likely is a male pied split to pearl (from mom) and lutino( from dad)

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

`http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w23/desireebaby07/bi.jpg

this is the yellow sibling, and this other pic is the two pied grays. the one in the back is the one i have...........

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w23/desireebaby07/bir.jpg



also i keep hearing you can tell its sex by the way it stands, how can i test this theory?

[huskymom]

i think now you have more chances for him to be a male....

mom is a pearl split pied
dad is a grey split pied AND lutino

yellow birdie is a girl by dads genetics
both pieds might be boys and split pearl.... as non got the lutino ... but there´s a chance for girls too just that they didn´t got the lutino, with dad being split there is a chance for normal girls as well as lutino girls, but ALL lutinos WILL be girls

about the stand thing.. I think if the stand with their feet closer together means male but it´s not that accurate.... is he showing any male antics?

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

hes, just getting settled in, has another whistle hes doing, and more often now! but i have been whilstling the wolf with other whisltes, and it seems that hes trying to copy so maybe it is a boy, but i named it FLAPJACK, either way..........girl or boy.......and standing wise, his feet are like 2 inches apart just now, but hes been sittin on the ladder and feeding bowl, i just moved him now to see how he stood, so dont know all the way

[atvchick95]

even with the dad being split to lutino , there are still male and female pieds

but if he is whistling (and its whistling and not chirping) then its most likely a boy

boys will also "beak bang" bang their beak off certain objects that in their view is theirs and no one else's

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

havent seen him bang his beak, but is whislting and i have you tube vids on for flap, he seems to like it..........

[shy bird]

he takes after his mom LOL:lol:

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

his mom? meaning he will be a pearl or what.........

[sweetrsue]

Sadly a bird that is not already a Pearl will not become a Pearl. On the contrary a male that has Pearl markings as a youngster will lose those markings as he matures. Only nthe females will keep Pearls into adulthood. You did say that his mother was a Pearl! So IF your bird is a male he will be SPLIT for Pearl. Meaning he carries the gene but it will not show. He will however pass that gene visually to roughly 50% of his female offspring. Meaning 50% of the female babies will be Pearls. 50% of the male babies will be splits like Dad but again it won't show.

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

oh, wow.i lot of ppl told me he'd be a pearl if he was a male, after moulting! why would they say that if he wont, it doesnt matter to me how he looks.......but im just trying to get all the gene fact && the breeding process of mixing tiels.

[sweetrsue]

A Lot of ppl told you that? That is exactly opposite of what is true. Maybe they were trying to tell you that since his Mother was a Pearl he will carry the gene for Pearl or will be split for Pearl? That is what is correct. A male after molting (If he was a pearl now) would lose the pearls. So what you were told is backwards. No male will ever acquire pearling after molting only lose it.

[Mark]

can u tell if my tiels a she or he? and if its a normal grey? i will upload another pic if a got for now i cant get a better shot of my tiel and his tails has a long white in the center.

[shy bird]

im putting my money on a boy if he is whistling.

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

(mark) yours looks almost like mine, except flapjack has more yellow on this head, but the tail feathers are simular... how old is your baby? how long have yu had him, or whats the behaviour? flapjack is whistling about three or so different tunes......so im guessing he is a boy...


&&sweetrsue, flap has a tear drop lookiing i guess you can say "pearl" marking, will he lose that?, i love that marking!

its the highest mark on the right...http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w23/desireebaby07/077.jpg

[huskymom]

mark: your pretty birdie is a pied... it´s hard to sex... does he have any male behaviour??... do you know the parents??... he´s a real cutie...

emory: actually that tear drop is a pied mark so no he won´t loose that.. ;)... he doesn´t seems to have actual visible pearls but he sure is carrying the gene to pass it up to his daughters one day...

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

ok, i know hes pied, but when ppl said he'll be pearl i thought they meant, pearl markings instead of genes, but im getting all the bird lango (kinda)


well i dont care if it would be pearled, as long as he keeps his unique marks, thanx...

[Mark]

Huskymom: he is mostly quiet all the time he did not even wistles so i don't see any male behaviour.. but i allways hear her beack grinding. i dont know what its parent was he is the only one in the vendor where i brought it. the person where i bout it said its a male but i im confuse couse he don't even showing a male behaviour.
emory: yes it look even the same. but flapjack has a white spot at its back. i dont know how old it is and i got it 10 days ago.
how does will i know how old he is? and he has a yellow strife in his wings.

[xxxSpikexxx]

Mark I would take a guess that your tiel is female but a dna test would tell you for sure. You won't be able to tell how old she is unless the place you got her from can tell you her hatch date.

[sweetrsue]

No Emory he will not lose the teardrop mark. That is not a pearl. Here are some pics of the pearl mutation. The first pic is a closeup of pearls on a normal gray pearl. The second is A Cinnamon Whiteface Pearl. The third is another combination Whiteface Pearl Pied. Youn should look at the Mutations guide Sticky it has lots of pictures and explains some of the questions you have had. http://www.talkcockatiels.com/showthread.php?t=7227

[Mark]

There's no vet here in our place for birds to make a dna test. the place were a got it said he is 4 moths old i just whant to know if its true or not couse he said it is a male but i don't see any male behaviour so im confuse if he know's the tiel he is selling and it is not a pet store he just goes there every sunday to sell. he most selling is a gold fish, parakeet, even a small white mouse. and the one i buy is the only one cockatiels he is selling so its hard to find it a mate couse i dont know anyone here has a cockatiels. so im not sure if he knows about birds.

[sweetrsue]

Your bird does look like a young male Mark. His face is in the process of changing from the pics you posted. they usually start changing around 4 months. It will take a couple of months for his face to completely turn yellow. Females faces don't turn yellow like a male. So yours is definitely a male. No need for a DNA test!

[Mark]

Ok. Thank's for so much imformation about my tiel i will wait some moths to see if there's any change in his face.by the way why does he is not whistling? and why does he alays grinding his beack? and he is a pied right?

[sweetrsue]

He looks like a normal Gray but you said he had a spot on his back right? Then he would be a pied. If you could post more pics it would be helpful! If he is a pied then his face might not change. Beak grinding is really something they do when they are content and comfortable. Sounds like a happy bird. Young males will start doing a lot of vocalizing around the age of 4 or 5 months. Some of mine don't really make much noise 'till I put them in the aviary. It's almost like they want to announce themselves once they get in there.

[xxxSpikexxx]

Spike is a pied and his face only got a tiny bit more yellow. I would look for male behaviour like singing, heart wings and beak banging. Spike does heart wings alot, I guess he has to, so he can compensate for his girlie looks :p

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

hey what is exactly heart wings? like when the stretch their wings up?

&& mark, i would be happy to hear any kind of age, i had a parakeet for 2 yrs and didnt know its age... she moulted 2 or 3 times, keep track from his supposit 4 months, and count from there, they should moult around 6 months(give or take)

[Aly]

hey what is exactly heart wings? like when the stretch their wings up?


Heartwings is when a male tiel is in the mood...it's their flirty pose, ussually accompanied by singing and walking back and forth...see pic. They're called heartwings beacause it looks like a heart from the back

Spike
http://www.parrotchronicles.com/2008/yourbirds/mayjune/spike_yourbirds_mayjune2008.jpg

http://www.biseinen.com/shango/fun/pics/heartwings.jpg

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

ok, yeah flap does the bottom pic, but isnt quite comfortable yet to dance around... im waiting for that the other day he spread his wings as if he were flying on top of his cage, like a wing stretch.

[Danielle]

Sounds like a boy, then!

I would have said male looking at Flap's picture, but I'm far from an expert, especially when it comes to pieds.

[eMoRy'S fLaPjAcK...!]

well his demeanor sure tells me that flapjack is a lil boy..., i just let him out on top of his cage, and hes just whislting && stretching his wings as wide!