Dominant Silver

[atvchick95]

I was looking up info on the Emerald (Olive) tiels and ran across a section on Silvers

Since I'm still trying to figure out what Jack and Jill actually were(since they had their genders wrong I'm thinking they also had their mutation's wrong) , Well mainly now just Jack - I do have him set up with a Pied who as far as I know isn't hiding anything (nothing came out in her 2 clutches last year from her) so that'll help me But in the mean time I came across this(points of interest are in bold and red)

Silver is rather complicated. There are actually two different versions of �silver' in cockatiels, and then you can get single and double factors one of the versions! Let me try to explain. There is the dominant silver, and the recessive silver. The recessive silver is a light silvery color, much like a pale normal grey, except they have the same red eyes that fallow and lutinos have.

Now the dominant silver can come in both double factor and single factor, depending on how many genes were inherited from the parents. The main difference though is that the double factors are lighter than the single factor ones.

The dominant silver is the same light silver color as the recessive silver, but the dominant silvers have a dark grey �skull cap,' an area around the top of their heads/behind the crest that is a distinctly darker shade of grey.

Dominant silver cockatiels (both double factor and single factor) have dark eyes. Both dominant and recessive silver have the same face/sex-linked colors as the normal grey. The mature male will have a bright face and plain tail, the immature bird and the mature female will have the dull faces and barred tails. They all have the white wing stripe and spots on the flight feathers.

So of course I went to check out Jack, He won't let me see under his wings to see if there are spots But he does have the White Wing Stripes

I'm fairly certain that throwing pied in the mix, messes with the description of silver, Since he doesn't have the Face/Head markings of a normal silver since he is Pied.

Sorry about a couple shots of him having no head - he moved on me :blush:



So here is Jack - Pictures Taken Today

From The Side

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/JackSideview.jpg

Back

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Jackagain.jpg

Front


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Jackfromthefront.jpg

Side view - with his noggin cut off

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/Jackmovedonme.jpg

Back view again - noggin cut off - he just wouldn't hold still for nothing

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/RednecksDoItBest/My%20Birds/Cockatiel%20Pictures/JacksBack.jpg


Here is what a Normal (non pied) Dominate Silver Looks Like
http://www.cockatielsplusparrots.com/images/Dominant_Silver-N-Johnson-Mello-4719.jpg

I can't seem to find one that is Silver Pied - I keep finding other mutations mixed in (like Pearl)

I do know if he is silver he must be the Dominant Silver Single Factor (the normal on the Double factor looks mainly white) and he can't be recessive Silver because he doesn't have the red eyes (like a Lutino) and I highly doubt being Pied mixed in would change his eye color


now if him and Nibbles do have any babies, if they all come out as Pied I know he's NOT silver but Emerald(olive)

but in the mean time while i wait (because right now he's not paying her no mind he's actually hitting on one of the Adult Pearls in the cage beside him that I have for sale lol)

what do you guys think? Silver or no?




P.S. alot think he has cinnamon in him BUT in person there is no cinnamon but in some of his pics it looks like it, just the pictures though

[huskymom]

I was one to think cinnamon.. but on these pics he surely looks grey... just as the description on the dominant silver....

do you have a normal female or a lutino... or any that does not have pied.. to see if he passes it on and in what form...

[atvchick95]

I was one to think cinnamon.. but on these pics he surely looks grey... just as the description on the dominant silver....

do you have a normal female or a lutino... or any that does not have pied.. to see if he passes it on and in what form...

You weren't the only one to think cinnamon, i got it on a few other places too

no my only lutino is too young, and my other females are Pearls (i don't want to breed him to a pearl right now)

but putting him with the pied, IF he is silver I'll get Silvers (like J.J and Lucky) and pieds, pied pearls

if he's olive and not silver i will only get pieds in the boys, and girls and pied pearls in the girls

[crazy4tiels88]

He looks like a silver pearl pied!! He is very pretty!!

[atvchick95]

He looks like a silver pearl pied!! He is very pretty!!

Thank you

I'm hoping the mate I put him with has fertile eggs, She laid one Sunday, she wouldn't let me see if there was another one yesterday so i'm going to look today

If he's silver Pied with any pearl rather its there or split, with the mate I paired him to (a normal pied) I'll get babies that look like his previous 2 with his previous mate

if he's in fact Emerald then with this mate I'll get all pieds and Pearl Pieds

I wanted to put him with a non pearl female to rule out him not being pearl because everything i read on Emerald says they have a scalloping effect similar to a pearl, So I want to cover all the bases lol

So we will see , but at least this way i will no for sure what his mutation is :)

[WonderBird]

He really does resemble the silver type a lot. Maybe he is? He's quite the cutie there's no doubt about it.

[atvchick95]

I hope he is :) well even if he is the one who was actually Emerald(olive) that's fine too

but for my record keeping - I'd like to make sure I have his exact mutation, and since the person was wrong on their gender, I'm hoping he wasn't wrong on the Mutation as well

on another note BOTH silver and Emerald are Rare where i live :)

[srtiels]

OK...when it comes to 'visual' adult male emeralds/olive and single factor dominant silver (SFDS) they can almost look idential. It is very difficult to tell a SFDS from an EM if the DS has a heavy suffusion of yellow. There is ONE difference though. A DS will have diluted centers to the wing flights with a very fine darker color almost black to the edging of the flight feathers. Many times EM will not have any spots/dots to the wing flights.

With either mutation you DO NOT want to pair with any bird that is lutino or cinnamon (or split to) These mutatations have a diluting effect and mess up the coloring of DS and EM.

When in doubt(sp)...TEST BREED to know what you have.

Pair the male with a plain normal hen. If DS you will get some DS babies. Males are easier to visually see versus females. The flight feathers will have a slightly diluted look to the center. The females will look like a normal. 'Sometimes they will have a slight chocolate cast to them. But, with most femals DS you have to wait til they molt which they will get more of a brownish look, and sometimes the flight feathers will get a washed out look.

If test breeding for emerald you will need a hen split to emerald or a visual EM hen. Most times prior to the chicks feathering you can get an idea on which are EMs. The toes are ususally shoter than normal, and as they pin it will look like they are going to be a light toned bird like a cinnamon.

Susanne