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Old 02-13-2017, 03:04 PM
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Default Result of breeding Cinnamon Pearl Hen with Pied Male

I read about genetics on this site and the articles actually taught me alot and I can make some guesses now lol. I have included the picture of my pair. Male is pied and i dont know if je is split to any mutation or not but lets say his both X have pied chromosome. Female is cinnamon pearl.

What is guess is this:

50% Chance : Male with Pied + Cinnamon Pearl gene so I believe it would switch to normal as no common gene in both.

50% Chance: Female Pied.

I am considering that male has both pieds on XX.

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Old 02-13-2017, 08:22 PM
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Pied is recessive not dominant...unless the hen is carrying the pied gene as well, all babies will be normal grey in coloring. The males will all be split to the mother's mutations. All babies will be split to pied. This is if the male is not carrying any hidden mutations.
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Pied is recessive not dominant...unless the hen is carrying the pied gene as well, all babies will be normal grey in coloring. The males will all be split to the mother's mutations. All babies will be split to pied. This is if the male is not carrying any hidden mutations.
Is it possible that hen can carry pied gene ? I thought females are visual always for their mutation because of single X.

Males will be split to pearl then in this case meaning when pearl + pied pearl is dominant so becomes as split ?

Not understanding 2nd last sentence that all babies will be split to pied.

Will they carry both genes from pied and pearl ?

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It's hard to be sure, but it looks to me like your hen might have a tickmark on the back of her head indicating a pied split. It looks like the cock has some ghost pearling on the wings, so he might have the pearl gene. Any other splits are hard to determine based on appearance and you'll have to wait and see what you get in the nestbox.

Hens can't be split to sex-linked mutations (the main ones are cinnamon, lutino and pearl). But they can be split to autosomal (ordinary) recessive mutations like pied and whiteface.
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The hen will give the genes for cinnamon and pearl to all of her sons. She will not give these genes to any of her daughters because sex-linked genes don't pass from mother to daughter. The sons will not be visual for these mutations unless they also get the gene from their father. If they only get the gene from mom they will be split.

All the babies will get the pied gene from their father. If they also get the pied gene from mom they will be visual pied. If they only get the gene from dad they will be split.
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Not understanding 2nd last sentence that all babies will be split to pied.
Tiels genes don't work the way humans do. There are two different kinds of mutations in tiels, recessive and sex-linked (there's also dominant but none of the mutations here are dealing with that.)

Recessive genes are genes that require both parents to carry the gene to get visual babies. Dad has to have the gene and mom has to have the gene. Hens can be split to recessive genes but not sex-linked genes. As tielfan stated, pied and whiteface are recessive.

Sex-linked genes are the cinnamon and pearl genes that the hen is a visual for. Males can be split to these, hens can only be visual. This means that hens can only inherit this gene from their fathers. Males have to get the gene from both parents to be visual, but can make visual daughters if they are split. Because your hen is visual for both cinnamon a pearl, all her sons will carry those genes but not be visual for it. The females will not inherit either of these genes from the mother.
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Default Thanks alot I got it all now

Thanks to both of you.

This mistake I made was that I thought pied is sex-linked mutation but as its recessive so my pundent sqaure chart came as you guys suggested.

I would like to see any photos if you guys have to identify Pearl Hen who is split to pied and Male Pied who is split to pearl
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Genetics are so confusing lol
I have a pair that when both were chicks they were pearl, now the male is grey but you can see a little remaining faint pearl on some wing feathers so the signs are still there and his brother was a whitefaced so I guessed he would probably carry that gene (not sure if that's how it works) I don't recall what their parents looked like. The pearl hen has stayed completely pearled and came from a normal hen and a pied cock so I presumed there would be some pied genes in her some where. Then came the off spring.... I had 1 pearl, 1 white faced, 1 normal grey and 1 pearl pied.
Unfortunately I haven't heard anything from 3 of the chicks homes but the pearl pied is a hen. It does help if you see parents and siblings as that can give you a rough idea of what you might see
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There's something funny going on in your nestbox! When both parents are pearl, then all the babies should be pearl too, but you got a couple that weren't. Pearl is kind of quirky and sometimes fails to show itself, but there's a strong possibility that your hen has a secret lover or that some other hen has been laying eggs in the nestbox. So I can't say for sure what genes this pair has since there are questions about the parentage of the babies.

We can be sure that the hen is split to pied though, assuming that her parents are who you think they are. Her daddy was split to pied and will give the pied gene to all his children.

The cock would definitely be split to whiteface if one of his parents was visual whiteface. If his parents were just split, he might or might not have the gene. But if he's really the father of the whiteface babies in the nest, he's got the gene.
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There's something funny going on in your nestbox! When both parents are pearl, then all the babies should be pearl too, but you got a couple that weren't. Pearl is kind of quirky and sometimes fails to show itself, but there's a strong possibility that your hen has a secret lover or that some other hen has been laying eggs in the nestbox. So I can't say for sure what genes this pair has since there are questions about the parentage of the babies.

We can be sure that the hen is split to pied though, assuming that her parents are who you think they are. Her daddy was split to pied and will give the pied gene to all his children.

The cock would definitely be split to whiteface if one of his parents was visual whiteface. If his parents were just split, he might or might not have the gene. But if he's really the father of the whiteface babies in the nest, he's got the gene.
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