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Do normal grey males have an even grey color all over or can they be a bit mottled or ghost pearl looking, do a faint ghost pearl shading indicate split to pearl? Is this male just a normal grey or does his color indicate anything? (No idea why my pix are sideways.)
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Ghost pearl is an indication of Split to pearl.



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Actually, he is a male pearl cockatiel. See the batting on his tail feathers? That means full pearl. The males molt out the pearls but keep the ghost pearls. He's handsome!
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Actually, he is a male pearl cockatiel. See the batting on his tail feathers? That means full pearl. The males molt out the pearls but keep the ghost pearls. He's handsome!
Thanks but I know 100% he isn't full pearl as I bred him myself, he has always been a normal grey, he is the baby far left in this picture... his mom is a cinnamon pearl pied and his dad is a lutino, both split whiteface and dad is also split pied, pearl. He is just over 1 yr old.
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Ghost pearl is an indication of Split to pearl.



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his mom is a cinnamon pearl pied
If he has a visual pearl parent he is definitely split to pearl.

The pearl gene isn't the only thing that can cause ghost pearling however. The "spot gene" apparently causes ghost pearling on the wings of adult males, even though they never had pearl markings on their wings as juveniles. I've got several males with ghost pearls who don't have the pearl gene. There may be other things that can do it too.

I've started wondering whether it's actually related to the pearl gene at all, or if these markings are actually controlled by a different gene and it's just coincidence and our own expectations that make us think it's related to the pearl gene. I recently found out about a mutation in lovebirds called marbled that is somewhat similar to ghost pearling. I wonder if maybe we've got this same mutation or something similar to it in cockatiels without even knowing it.

Marbled lovebirds, from the Lovebirds Compendium by Dirk van den Abeele:


There's a marbled mutation in parrotlets too. All parrot species have a lot of the same genes and they get the same mutations. It's entirely possible that cockatiels have a toned-down version of it.

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That's weird. I have always based my answers off Susanne.



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He looks a lot like my Coco (adult male pearl). Gorgeous babies by the way!
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The only indicator that's universally accepted as a definite split sign is a pied tickmark. Everything else is iffy. There are some that could very well be an indicator sometimes, but they're not 100% reliable and there are other factors can cause a similar effect. And there are some that are probably not really an indicator.

I've got an article on cockatiel split signs here: http://www.littlefeatheredbuddies.co...ielsplits.html The one that really blows me away the most is the part about one white primary feather being a surefire sign that a bird has two pied genes. It's probably true most of the time, but I proved that it's not always true with just one pair. I never expected that to happen.

I also had a boy with FIFTEEN pied primary feathers who developed the normal face mask when he reached adulthood. That's not supposed to happen in a bird with two pied genes, but when it comes to pied I get the impression that there's no rule that's right 100% of the time. I still have no idea whether he has one pied gene or two.
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That's weird. I have always based my answers off Susanne.



Carolyn, those lovebirds are pretty!
He may also be split to pied which may slow the loss of those tail colors... he just only turned 1 yr old.
He has 2 yellow tail feathers... one on each side... does that make him pied?? Which therefore would mess with the tail markings on the other feathers.
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