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Old 06-15-2017, 12:54 AM
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Hi all, I would like some help identifying our 3-month old cockatiel Mochi's mutation. The parrot shop owner says he's a cinnamon heavy pied, but from what I've read on the Internet it seems like pied birds have dark eyes in flah light. Mochi's eyes are dark under normal lighting, but the iris reflects back as red in flash light.

We also don't know the sex, so if anyone have an educated guess on whether Mochi's boy or a girl, that would be great! Mochi was hand fed as a baby so he/she is super tamed. He/she has been pretty quiet so far - and clumsy, too, for being so young. We think it might have something to do with being in a new environment and still adjusting. Hopefully Mochi will start singing soon

Anyway, here are some pictures of his/her markings as well as eyes in flash light. Thanks in advance!





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Hi. Yes the parrot shop owner is correct, Mochi is a cinnamon pied. Pieds eyes don't reflect red but cinnamons do, cinnamons hatch with plum eyes that darken within a few days and continue to reflect back red with flash. As for gender unfortunately unless you know what the parents are we wont be able to sex Mochi as pieds don't follow the same rule as normals (males keep female marking much longer, if they display any at all) Once your little ones settles in behavior might help eg mimicking speech or tunes are more common in males, it's very very rare for a female to mimic. Displaying heart wings is also a male only display.. Other than that the only other option is to have a DNA test done
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I agree with cinnamon pied. It's common for cinnamon eyes to reflect red, and also possible for pied eyes to do it too. The melanin in the eye comes from two different sources, and one of those sources can be affected by the pied gene. The melanin that arises from the optic cup itself is apparently not affected by the pied gene, so we don't normally see pied birds with bright red eyes. But it's possible for pied to reduce the amount of melanin in the eye.

Here's an article that has a section on eye pigmentation in pied budgies. It's expected to be similar in cockatiels: http://www.mutavi.info/index.php?art=blackeye
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Mochi is a beautiful bird! He has such pretty markings!
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Thank you all! We don't know the mutations of the parents, but so far Mochi's been behaving like a girl - very quiet, sweet and snuggly. When do male birds start to become more vocal?
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Most boys start vocalizing by the time they're 6 months old. Some of them start as early as 3 months, but a lot of them wait longer than that.
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What a gorgeous 'tiel!
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